ALERT - ECM Malfunction due to Premature Corrosion

tonyc's picture

While driving, van started loosing power, brought it to my mechanic, he found the ECM was not sending power to the fuel injector. He called Nissan who said the ECM's have started corroding and most likely a hole in it; the location of the ECM on the 2004's has caused rusting problems, in newer models they have repositioned it to elimate the problem. I towed the van to Nissan, they said ECM is now working but yes is rusted and should be replaced, and I'm at 135,000KMs no longer under warranty, and part ($1200)is on a 3 week back order, so had to go get the van and park in my driveway until the part arrives. QUESTION - if Nissan are aware that the ECM's are rusting out prematurely due to bad part placement, why keep it a secret. I just bought out the lease last year, had I known of this problem I would have had the ECM replaced under warranty or not bought the van.

The dealership says nothing they can do, Nissan Canada says nothing they can do.

ALERT: if you have the 2004, get the ECM looked at ASAP, if signs of rust or corrosion, get it replaced before you hit 130,000KM warranty mark.

rod4853's picture

Link to MUST READ for ECM preventative care

I've attached a link that shows what to do to PREVENT further damage. Hopefully you get to it before its too late! http://questdriver.com/node/1269

JimM's picture

ECM 2004 Quest & frame rust out

My ECM went out on the highway, leaving my wife and a van load of kids stranded. My warrenty had run out and the mechanic I brought it to told me it was rusted out and caused a fire in the ECM. This week I found out that the complete under carrage is rusted out. The frame has a design flaw that allows snow and water to sit in a little pocket in frame causing it to rust out.

I hope there is a class action suit soon.

nissan_sucks's picture

2004 Nissan Quest - Bad ECM

My ECM went out in January of this year and I'm in the Army stationed overseas. So, as my luck would have it nobody in Europe has the software to reprogram the ECM. I've been getting jerked around by Nissan for 4 months saying they've sent the part to the mechanic and they aren't going to cover it because corrosion because of environmental causes isn't covered under the warranty. But another Nissan employee told me that the mechanic would have to say if it was a design flaw or what. The mechanic said it was a design flaw that caused the issue but Nissan is trying to get out of it.

The vehicle only has 77,000 miles on it. Can't get the exact mileage becaue the display went out also......I'm seriously interested in a class action against Nissan. Once they get this POS fixed I'm going to trade it in for another vehicle and Nissan will never get another cent from me.

matatu's picture

ECM

Does your radio work. Check the fuses.

onwebmedia's picture

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mikeyt5060's picture

rev limiter

Hi I have a 2004 quest it has started to rev up and down when you accelerate to quickly.
I was hoping someone could shed some light.
Reading some of the posts i am thinking ecm also.

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jmandrix's picture

NISSAN QUEST ECM

Hi,

I have the same issue with you guys. My ECM needs to be replaced parts and lobuor cost is $1500 plus taxes and i did some research on the internet found few and cost of the ECM. If you guys needs some help tuning your chips I ran chip tuning business near your places. Most of my clients is met on the internet....

Warm Regards,
jason

Bohdex's picture

2004 QUEST ECM

Mine just went. (Jan 2011) They replaced the holding bracket too because it was corroded. I have read the troubles some have had with getting dealers to replace them. I must say I was very pleased when my dealer offered to cover it under "warranty". 95,000 kms. I was happy since my warranty ran out last August. I did not ask. I just thanked them. Thanks NIssan

sprintdriver's picture

ECM Replacement

ECM replacement is extremely rare in most cases, bad part placement allows for water, debris, and other particles to saturate electronic components. Nissan should place such important controllers in safer places to prevent these issues. In the case that you cannot get the Nissan ECM problem solved through the dealer, I suggest disconnecting the ECM, and placing Dye Electric grease inside the connector, also cleaning out particles within the connector pins, before installing the grease, this should by you some time. Also do some research with similar informative articles from a qualified:

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cirrus's picture

How to remove ECM to check

It seems like some of you might have removed the ECM to inspect it. Can anyone provide instructions or pictures on how to remove it? I know where it's located but not sure how to get it out. Also when you disconnect the ECM and reconnect it, are there any issues with starting up the car? I have an 04 with 67000 miles but this corrosion thing is really concerning me. Please advise, thank you!!

2004 Nissan Quest SL

Ricky13's picture

ecm location

http://questdriver.com/node/1269 type this in your address bar.

cirrus's picture

Thanks for putting up that

Thanks for putting up that post. I was the one that wrote the question many months ago, and I am also the one that wrote the How-To on painting the ECM in the recent post. Thought it was funny.

2004 Nissan Quest SL

trutien's picture

would the 130K warranty work

would the 130K warranty work for me if i am in canda? I have the same problem...Engine shut of while I am driving...Is this the ECM problem...after the ECM is replace, would the "shut of engine while we drive" go away?

trutien's picture

nissan quest 2004 SL

I just got my quest 2004 last month. The engine turn off while I was on the highway and couple times when I was driving locally. I am in canada. Some of you guys say that if the car in under 130K then I could still bring it into nissan dealer for check up or replace EMC? Please somebody help me... It is so dangerous and i am stuck with the van now.

Normace's picture

Class Action lawsuit

Mine also failed (2006 Nissan Quest SL - only 4.5 years old and 75,000kms) and Nissan refused to pay for it under warranty.
As stated in the warranty booklet, any OBDII part (especially the ECM) is covered under 8 year/130,000 km warranty.
But they are trying to disallow the warranty claim, saying it was due to rust and corrosion.
Well, I didnt put the ECM in a BAD location, so why am I being penalized ???

So, I contacted a class action law firm, and it looks like Nissan does not want to go to court on this, so they are looking to settle. Make sure your Nissan Quest (2004-2006) is registered at Nissan.ca (or a Nissan dealer) and they may likey contact you to have it replaced within the next 6 months.

jay jay's picture

04 NISSAN QUEST ECM

Hi im new to this i have 04 nissan quest 200k on it, i took it to nissan dealer engine light on and transmission not taking off when i hit gas and they told me my ECM needs to be replaced parts and lobuor cost is $1500 plus taxes and i did some research on the internet found few and cost of the ECM it self is about $400 i just want know if i can do it my local mechanic and take it to the dealer and ask them to reprogram it cause $1500 is just too much money for nissan ECM any advice would be helpful my question is should i do it thru the dealer or my mechanic and WHY thankyouuuu.

taytay1's picture

engine control module

My unit on my 2004 Quest went bad and it was going to cost me around $1200 to fix it. I found a place that
will fix the unit without any reprograming involved. You will send your original unit to them and give the
information they need. I had mine done and I am driving again. The cost of fixing the computer was less than
$300. The place is called (Auto Tech Auto - S.I.A. Electronics...1-904-806-6778...ask for Del)

Raghu's picture

ECM Corrosion in Quest - Warranty Coverage Refusal by Nissan

Hi,

I have a Nissan Quest 2004 and recently it stalled. On testing it was found
that the ECM has gone bad within @56000 miles within 6 years. Though the
warranty says that the ECM is covered for 8 years / 80000 miles the
Dealer - Nissan Falero, Sunnyvale CA is not covering this under warranty. They
are saying that this is corroded and hence this cannot be covered.

I have escalated this to Nissan North America and after 33 days / 5 weeks they
said that corrosion cannot be covered under warranty. There is no corrosion on
the surface or whatsoever but the ECM inside has been rusted. This is clearly
the design fault of Nissan and hence I would like to take this up with the
consumer forum and file a case against Nissan.

I have seen a lot of internet posts with the same issue and hence I believe a
class action suit is warranted. Can any attorney help on this?

What are my options? Can I sue Nissan for delaying more than a month?

Please help and my car is still immobile...!

Thanks in advance,

Raghu

Normace's picture

Class Action lawsuit - go for it

Mine also failed (2006 Nissan Quest SL - only 4.5 years old and 75,000kms) and Nissan refused to pay for it under warranty.
As stated in the warranty booklet, any OBDII part (especially the ECM) is covered under 8 year/130,000 km warranty.
But they are trying to disallow the warranty claim, saying it was due to rust and corrosion.
Well, I didnt put the ECM in a BAD location, so why am I being penalized ???

So, I contacted a class action law firm, and it looks like Nissan does not want to go to court on this, so they are looking to settle. Make sure your Nissan Quest (2004-2006) is registered at Nissan.ca (or a Nissan dealer) and they may likey contact you to have it replaced within the next 6 months.

NYQuest's picture

Have a lawyer write a letter

Have a lawyer write a letter with this Internet post as back-up. Nissan paid me shortly after receiving the letter. Mention poor design and that it be covered under the 8years/80,000 miles warranty.

Good Luck.

freda401's picture

safety concern with my 2004 Nissan Quest

I have a 2004 Quest with 81,000 miles I have been having problems with an intermittent slalling problem and no start problem. The dealor stated they could not duplicate condition. Now the vehicle is out of any warranties and the van is now just shutting off while driving, even on the highway. Very dangerous !!!! I was told the ECM could be malfunctioning (corrossion related) I called Nissan and awaiting an answer from them. I think Nissan should have a recall if so many similar complaints. This is a safety hazard and I have small children. If I lose power on the highway I have no way to steer or brake. What shall I do ?? I think we all should keep calling Nissan and start a class action suit !!!

Raghu's picture

ECM Corrosion in Quest - Warranty Coverage Refusal by Nissan

Hi,

I am facing a similar issue and I am in for a class action suit against Nissan....

Who could fight this case ? Do you have any attorneys in mind? How do we go
ahead on this?

Thanks

Raghu

NYQuest's picture

Mine just went one day. No

Mine just went one day. No intermittent problems.

Raghu's picture

Class Action Suit Agaist NIssan...

Can we file a suit against Nissan for the ECM faulty design?

moose84664's picture

ECM Problems

Hello, any word on the suit? Have you received any interest from other Quest owners? Thanks

Normace's picture

Class Action lawsuit - go for it

Mine also failed (2006 Nissan Quest SL - only 4.5 years old and 75,000kms) and Nissan refused to pay for it under warranty.
As stated in the warranty booklet, any OBDII part (especially the ECM) is covered under 8 year/130,000 km warranty.
But they are trying to disallow the warranty claim, saying it was due to rust and corrosion.
Well, I didnt put the ECM in a BAD location, so why am I being penalized ???

So, I contacted a class action law firm, and it looks like Nissan does not want to go to court on this, so they are looking to settle. Make sure your Nissan Quest (2004-2006) is registered at Nissan.ca (or a Nissan dealer) and they may likey contact you to have it replaced within the next 6 months.

claudio's picture

Really pissed off

As the other 2004 Nissan Quest that have the problem with the ECM mine had the problem too. I tried to slove the problem by myself and bougth the ECM by Internet and took the van to the near by Nissan Dealer. I explained everything to them, about replacement and recoding the keys, they agreed with me and said it will take only 1 1/2 hour to be done and $150 for labor. They replaced the ECM and told me the computer was working fine but now the motor was making a weird noise, so they asked me for a $99 extra check up to see what was going on. Third call came and they told me motor was fne the ECM was bad. I emailed the company I got the ECM from about the problem and he said the ECM are all checked in van before the shipped them, and they all are suposed to be working fine. After all this I told the dealer to put back the original ECM so I could pick up my van to decide what I wanted to do, they agreed but I haven't got a call back and they did not inform me that they are closed on Saturdays.(everything happened betwen thusrday and friday morning). I'm thinking the guy in the dealer is punishing me because I did not want to pay the $1200 to replace the ECM by them, since not only the whole thing sounds unprofessional but the left me and my whole family stocked at home for 4 days so far with no posotive answer.
At this point I think I only have one option and that is to hire a lawyer to claim for inconvinience and expenses of fixing the ECM. Any suggestions???

claudio's picture

Computer problem 2004 nissan quest

Hi, I having the same problem, and I decided to buy on internet an used part, witch cost me $150. I going to replace myself. Im wondering after I repleced it, if I can reset myself the computer or I should go to the dealer (the one who tried to repleace it for $1200). Thanks

NYQuest's picture

Did you get Keys with it? If

Did you get Keys with it? If not, you will not be able to start the van until your keys are reprogrammed. It will sound the same as when the ECM died. The Nissan dealer refused to sell the part to my other mechanic for that reason. Then when the replaces my ECM they only reprogrammed the key on hand. I had to go back to get the rest of my keys reprogrammed.

kesleyclan's picture

Who reprogammed the keys?

Who reprogrammed the keys? When you replace the ECM, what all has to be done (programming, I mean)?Sounds like a relatively easy remove and replace, but is it something that can be done without going through Nissan? Nearest dealer is 1.5 hours away, and I don't feel comfortable driving that distance in a van that can (and will) die in the middle of driving!

Normace's picture

Towing might be covered

Good day, Nissan's Roadside Assistance might cover the cost of towing the vehicle if it is immobile.

iLlMaTiC21390's picture

You will need the keys

You will need the keys programmed after the ECM is replaced cause the ignition won't recognize the immobolizer in the key.

Second you have to get the ECM changed at the dealer. When you buy the ECM it is not as easy to just replace it then it's done. You have to have the Nissan technician reprogram the ECM. It includes everything from Idle relearn, timing relearn, the accelerator relearn, programming the VIN into the ECM, and much much much much more. There are some many things that need reprogramming that I can't even list them all. That's why it takes the dealer an hour to reprogram the ECM. They do it with the use of a computer cause I've seen mine get done. It takes a little over an hour and is complicated. Something that no one but Nissan can only do or you risk screwing up your engine and other things because the Engine and everything relies on the ECM. Looking for the cheap way out is not always nor it is ever your best bet when it comes to vehicles like the Nissan Quest cause you will end up spending more in the end than you were trying to save.

Trust me I've been there and done that.

Luckily for me I got about 7 Nissan dealers within 30 miles of where I live. Driving with a screwed up ECM runs the risk of destroying the engine.

Save your self the money and have it towed to the dealer instead of trying to force it to the dealer. Hope that helps.

If you have any more questions, just ask me :)

2004 Nissan Quest 3.5SE with 99,110 miles. I was the second person in the U.S to take delivery in 2003 :)
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NYQuest's picture

Nissan Dealer

The Nissan deaaler reprogramed the Keys. Our keys have a chip in them. I don't know how exactly it is done.
The ECM is a simple remove and replace. It is the keys that needs programing.

Mcdaddy's picture

You should follow what your

You should follow what your lawyer says. And plus, try to study what the letter is all about.
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juched's picture

What about 2005+

Is this a problem with 2005 model years? Everything seems to point to 2004. Please confirm.

Normace's picture

YES

Involves 2004-2006 models years for Quest

iLlMaTiC21390's picture

yes it's all 2004-2006 model

yes it's all 2004-2006 model years. On the 2007 models and up the ECM has been relocated. My 2004 Quest's ECM went out at 77,000 miles. OH MY FREAKING CRAP WAS I IN A MESS!! I will have to get it checked again in another 70,000 miles when my Quest is at 144,000 miles to make sure the new one hasn't rusted.

Even though you change it, it's eventually going to rust all over again. No big deal though it's only $1200 to replace it. That's a little compared to what I've really been spending on this vehicle.

2004 Nissan Quest 3.5SE with 99,110 miles. I was the second person in the U.S to take delivery in 2003 :)
2009 Infiniti G37s Coupe
2008 Infiniti EX35 Journey

NYQuest's picture

I just received a check from

I just received a check from Nissan America. They paid for the part and labor to replace the ECM. It took a letter from a lawyer.

dtownfb's picture

Re: I just received a check from

Congratulations! I hope more owners file a complaint so Nissan will take care of this issue.

2004 Quest S

uhewson2's picture

Lawyer

Care to share the premise of the letter your lawyer sent? I really think we probably have the potential numbers to get a class action suit opened up.

NYQuest's picture

The letter mentioned that the

The letter mentioned that the Van is just about 5 years old with 67K miles on it. Van would not start and had it towed to Dealer. Dealer diagnosed problem as a bad ECM. Dealer said ECM went bad because of corrosion. Normally the ECM would be covered under the 80K emission warranty, but because the failure was do to corrosion, owner had to pay for the repairs. They also mentioned that the van was only subjected to normal North East weather and the van was never submerged under water. That is was Nissan's poor design of putting the ECM in the engine bay where it would subject to rain and snow that caused the ECM to prematurely corrode. They also mentioned that their client (me) had done some research on-line and found that it is a common problem on the 2004 Quest

moose84664's picture

ECM Problems

Hey friend, if you don't mind me asking, what was the lawyer fee to get a letter like that? Thanks

twinblown's picture

Way to go!!! the idea of

Way to go!!! the idea of having the ECM inside the engine compartment where water drips on it's enclosure causing corrosion over time and driveability problems is a poor design; Nissan must cover it under the ECM warranty if that don't work the lawyer will.....lol

heb75's picture

ECM

I just had my ECM replaced by a Nissan dealership (total CROOKS in my opinion!) and after they replaced it at the cost of $1200, the engine was suddenly misfiring. They troubleshot it for a couple days and said I had no compression on 3 cylinders and would need a new engine at the cost of $3700! After talking to a friend who is a mechanic , he told me several other things it could be, so I had it towed over 100 miles to my personal mechanic (it broke down when I was out of town) who within 30 minutes determined that I DID have compression on all cylinders and instead need 3 ignition coils!! The repair will cost only $800 as opposed to $3700. Come to find out, the dealership makes no money by repairing parts on the engine and would rather just replace the entire engine at 3x the price. Beware of Nissan dealerships! They WILL rip you off! I have dealt w/more than one and have been an unsatisfied customer EVERY time!!

Jimmy Newtron's picture

ECM / ECU -- How To Prevent It From Corroding and Failing

So I spoke with Nissan Canada about the warranty on the ECM and they basically tried to say that it wouldn't be covered because it's out of the basic warranty period. When I pressed them and mentioned that it's part of the emissions systems and as such covered for 8yrs/130,000km, they sort of said "well maybe, but only if the dealership checked it and felt it was defective BEFORE it failed". Now if that isn't a load of BS, I don't know what is but I didn't want to deal with a $1000+ repair bill so I took it into the dealership and paid to have them remove and check it while it was "still" in warranty (cost me $60).

The good news is mine is actually in great condition (I had them show it to me) and I'm not at all concerned about it failing now. I was also able to speak directly with the mechanic about this whole issue and she agreed that it was a dumb place to put it and they they do fail a little too frequently (was well versed on the corrosion problem). She also mentioned that they did not move the box in future years so please be aware of this even if you have a newer van.

I also asked what could be done to prevent this kind of failure (which i think is what many of you were wondering about) and it was also suggested that removing the ECM (which is actually very easy) and either (or both):
1) painting the aluminum base of the ECM with hi-temp paint (like for a BBQ or brake calipers)
2) spraying it with a rust proofing spray once a year
I'm probably going to do the latter but consider yourselves warned if you just leave it alone and hope for the best. This crappy location basically ensures that it is in almost constant contact with water/moisture.

Lastly, I never got a definitive answer on if it would have been replaced under warranty if it had been corroded but they certainly weren't saying that they had never seen this problem before. I suspect that I would have received some goodwill but because this part is in scarce supply, I still would have been without the van for an extend period of time, which would have been expensive if I need to rent a van until mine was fixed.

I hope this helps everyone deal with this major design flaw and hopefully we can save an ECM / ECU somewhere from a premature death :-).

Jimmy

william_carley's picture

ECM location found, did not read down far enough!

Jimmy, I am having some of the same symptoms but here in Europe once already I had Diesel put in my tank so initially I presumed it was that but now, I think it is more like the ECM.

If I replace this myself, what else has to be done if anything. Can't trust mechanics here. To risky.

r/

Bill

William Carley

Jimmy Newtron's picture

ECM warranty?

I'm also in Canada and just bought a 2004 SE with 100,000km and definitely don't want to saddled with a $1300 repair for Nissan's poor engineering choices. I checked this morning and it's not brutal but it definitely has some surface rust.

Where did you find out about the warranty for ECM under 130,000km's? My dealer says no deal and I'd be on the hook for the full amount. I haven't called Nissan Canada but would like to have the ammo available if (and when) it blows up. Any help you can give me would be great!

Jimmy

Nhan070's picture

What's the ECM?

ALERT: if you have the 2004, get the ECM looked at ASAP, if signs of rust or corrosion, get it replaced before you hit 130,000KM warranty mark.

Thanks for the warning here! It would be great if you elaborate a bit on what is the ECM and where it is located on the vehicle for the rest of us folks to check.